As I tucked my five-year-old son into bed tonight he wanted to “say some more prayers for people.” I think part of his intent might have been to delay lights-out time, but how could I not honor that request? In his list of intentions, he included “all the souls in purgatory,” at which point he actually stopped and thought about what he was saying and asked me about purgatory. As best I could, I explained purgatory in terms that a five-year-old might understand, and hopefully I helped him to appreciate why we pray for those souls. I wanted my simple explanation to be meaningful and thorough, so heaven and hell needed to be part of the discussion. The mention of hell and Satan caused a visceral reaction within him and he started to wipe away some moisture that welled up around his eyes.  While I never want to see my children in pain or upset, I was moved by this moment.

After finishing our prayers and answering all questions that came from our short, but intimate talk, I reflected on why my son had that reaction and I was happy for it. He must have a basic understanding of hell and that is a good thing. While five-year-olds do not need to walk the earth worrying about hell, I think it is important every person, young or old, have a firm belief in it, so thattheir love and desire for eternity with God might grow more intense. I also got to thinking about my understanding of hell and sin when I was a child and I was embarrassed to realize that my son might have a better understanding of them than I did as a 20-year-old. I think I’ve always known that hell exists, but for too long, I believed that it was only filled with unrepentant murderers like Hitler and Stalin. And as for sin, mortal sin was something that really bad people did and I wasn’t really bad. My complete ignorance of hell and sin did not make me less of a sinner and it certainly didn’t help me grow closer to God, so I am upset that they seemed to have been mostly stricken from my catechization.

Moral relativism has replaced a belief in sin within our culture, which is something that needs to be reversed if we ever hope to achieve a more loving, generous, and merciful society. It makes me sad that The Act of Contrition I was taught as a child made no mention of Satan or Hell. Why is that? How come I never heard the St. Michael prayer until I was nearly 30 years old? We must acknowledge sin wherever it exists, especially in our own lives, so that we can avoid it and repent when we fall into it. (Yes, fall into it.) Hell should be understood as true reality because how could that not give us even more reason to want to run to God’s loving embrace.

My ultimate responsibility as a father is to do everything I can to help lead my children to sainthood. I don’t expect that they’ll ever be perfect, which is all the more reason I need to make sure they are fully cognizant of sin and know that heaven isn’t the only eternity for souls.

  • Elijah fan

    Well the problem is that clergy behind the scenes for decades and off internet in the area of theology reading are affected by trends there …that have the net result of making hell almost impossible to get into. Bishop Barron in his youtube ministry repeats and affirms the Von Balthasar school of thought wherein Barron concludes “ it is rational to hope for an empty hell”. It’s not rational because Christ says in Luke 13:24… “ many will seek to enter on that day and they will not be able”. They think verses contradict each other but St. Jerome said if you think any two scriptures contradict each other, you don’t understand one of them.
    Their favorite passage (Von Balthasar school of thought) would probably be “ God…who desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.” I Tim.2:4. But St. Thomas Aquinas already solved that antilogy ( apparent contradiction). He said I Tim.2:4 is God willing antecedently…willing before your choices. After your choices, God is willing consequently….which can include hell for you or I.
    Then Aquinas says… “the antecedent will of God does not always take place”.
    That’s why Aquinas is very good to read. Lol…he even corrected this modern Catholic theology off the rails trend which hopes for an empty hell…and I would guess that they think Lk.13:24 might be a bad manuscript thus they can circumvent Christ’s words in that spot. They are foolish. While we can’t judge the damnation vs salvation of even a murderer in our town who is killed by a heart attack during his trial in which he smiled brazenly…we nevertheless can say that it is ludicrous to think hell could be empty if we but look at history and the large number of pirates and criminals who were killed as they tried to kill law enforcement…probably in the low millions. Did they all have faith hope and charity ( needed to reach purgatory…for those baptized) ( those outside, God will judge I Cor.5:13). That school of hoping for an empty hell…is not healthily in touch with probability as a reality of history. And I didn’t even mention adulterers and robbers (tens of thousands) who died by heart attack as they sinned throughout all of history.

    • Phil Alcoceli

      Both the silent attacks (ignoring it, not mentioned in sermons, etc.) and the loud attacks (a Pope ambivalent about it and others ridiculing it) on the absolute reality of Hell, are part of the obsessive push toward the Sacralization of Evil and the Demonization of Good. If there is no Hell, there is no sin and no responsibility whatsoever and mild slaps on the wrists are more than enough. If there is no Hell, murderers and all others committing heinous crimes only need soft therapy and “compassion”, not lifetime jail or the death penalty.

      The Pope and other clergy against the death penalty are betraying our 2,000 years of Church history (read: “By Man Shall His Blood Be shed” by Edward Feser). If there’s no Hell, then the high cause fighting against abortion (murder in the womb) is lowered to a ludicrous equality with a mere social cause: helping immigrants (P. Francis: Gaudete et Exsultate). Negating the existence of Hell lowers us to the state of parasite rats, laundering our sin in the false compassion of demons. God is so awesome that Hell exalts His Holiness and our high human dignity.

      • Elijah fan

        The lack of a death penalty in northern Latin America for decades was never looked at by several recent Popes at all. By UN figures it is the most murderous region on earth from Brazil to Mexico.
        Pope Francis exacerbates the feminization of that issue and of hell as an issue…but his predecessors also were very soft on Judas as he relates to hell.

        On page 186 of Pope John Paul II’s Crossing the Threshold of Hope, he asserts:
        “Even when Jesus says of Judas, the traitor, ‘It would be better for that man if he had never been born’ (Mt 26:24), his words do not allude for certain to eternal damnation.”. The answer by a worker at ewtn to an inquiring questioner was that it could be hyperbole by Christ…ergo…it’s not certain that Judas is in hell.
        That’s a very typical Catholic exchange…and I believe in Catholicism and never read Protestant sites. Pope Benedict said almost the same thing about Judas…”The mystery of the choice remains, all the more since Jesus pronounces a very severe judgement on [Judas]: “Woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed!” (Mt 26: 24). What is more, it darkens the mystery around his eternal fate, knowing that Judas “repented and brought back the 30 pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders, saying, “I have sinned in betraying innocent blood'” (Mt 27: 3-4). Even though he went to hang himself (cf. Mt 27: 5), it is not up to us to judge his gesture, substituting ourselves for the infinitely merciful and just God. (Pope Benedict XVI, General Audience, Oct. 18, 2006).
        Do you notice something both Popes leave out? St. Justin Martyr noted that that in scripture, past tense prophecy is certain to happen. Isaiah uses it of Christ… “ By his wounds, we were healed”… “ he was pierced for our offenses”..(53:5). Therefore…Christ will surely suffer of a certainty…no doubt. Future prophecy on the other hand can be conditional as when Jonah says in 3:4… “ Forty days and Nineveh will be destroyed”. Well it wasn’t destroyed because they did penance in response to the threat.
        Both Popes in the Judas case avoid Christ talking to His Father in prayer in John in past tense prophecy… “those who you gave me I guarded and not one of them perished except the son of perdition that the scriptures might be fulfilled.”. Christ said that prayer PRIOR to Judas completing his first sin at Gethsemane…yet Christ used the past tense…”perished”. Both Popes avoided Christ using certainty and past tense prophecy in favor of the verses that they and a defender at ewtn could call hyperbole if questioned…as in “better for that man had he never been born”.

      • Phil Alcoceli

        These Popes (in spite of their actual virtues), as well as New Agers, atheists, and all others being deceived, are all falling for the Lust of Cheap Self-Salvation and Cheap Self-Sanctification through just denying Hell. That is a depraved lust infinitely more powerful than all sexual lusts of the past, present and future combined. The Door to this Lust is False Compassion, which is the approving compassion of Satan for his sinning evil children not God’s compassion. Consciously or unconsciously, intentionally or unintentionally, this Lust makes us feel like God or higher than God (a more devastating “high” than meth, etc.) (Genesis 3:5). We need both to pray and expose this lie, especially inside the Church, even if Priests and fellow Laity try to silence us. Satan will be consumed by his very own hellish fire and so will we if we follow him (Ezekiel 28:17-18). Hell is not a fairy tale to scare children into good behavior. We are all infinitely more scared of the Responsibility that comes with God-given Free Choice. The existence of Hell is the door to freedom from the sure, eternal torment of cowardice, lies and absolute total dehumanization.

      • Elijah fan

        Just do what you can within the other obligations of your life. Don’t overestimate what you can do healthily. The feminizing of Catholicism will predominate for at least another century imo. I wrote to many Bishops years ago on the death penalty. I changed nothing and never got one reply. I learned to value my microcosm…the macrocosm of Catholicism’s defective trends is beyond any small group’s control.
        Brazil is the largest Catholic population, non death penalty and recently had 60,000 murder victims in one year. China with 7 times Brazil’s population has 11,000 murder victims a year because they execute murderers within one year….not after 10 years of appeals. By UN figures Asia is the safest area on earth from criminal murder and is death penalty dominant. If Brazil had China’s murder rate, they would save about 50,000 murder victims a year. None of the past three Popes knew that because they chose to circumvent data on a topic wherein you can’t morally avoid data.

      • Phil Alcoceli

        I am old, very financially limited, have several chronic illnesses and am partially disabled. Someone is now messing with my retirement to limit it to very little, etc., etc. My limitations and suffering come to party with me every single day. I love the Church deeply and suffer for Her on top of all that. I used to be ferociously frustrated about all of it, now I invite them to the table and praise and thank God for His Work in them. I am also now very aware that it’s God’s Power that gets the job done, again and again, not me. I now know that those small efforts that seem absolutely futile and going nowhere, yours, mine and everyone else’s, are never ever wasted. Never, ever!!! God’s accumulating interest on Faith, Love and Truth is infinitely high. We may not see the fruit of our prayers and efforts but they are absolutely real and will produce fruit through God (Isaiah 65:23, 2 Chronicles 15:7, Galatians 6:9, 2 Corinthians 4:7-11). If that were not so, we would never have had 2,000 years of glorious Church History and we would all be burning in Hell long time ago with Jesus’ Death being a total waste. Not so!! By the way, thank you for all that good information you have provided.

      • Elijah fan

        You are welcome. And disability helps you be a substitute hermit for God in prayer. There’s probably fewer Carthusians these days. Maybe God will have you move mountains by trusting…as a sub for a missing Carthusian ;). Peace.

      • Phil Alcoceli

        Very interesting. I’ll certainly keep that in mind. Peace to you and all you hold dear.

    • Phil Alcoceli

      Both the silent attacks (ignoring it, not mentioned in sermons, etc.) and the loud attacks (a Pope ambivalent about it and others ridiculing it) on the absolute reality of Hell, are part of the obsessive push toward the Sacralization of Evil and the Demonization of Good. If there is no Hell, there is no sin and no responsibility whatsoever and mild slaps on the wrists are more than enough. If there is no Hell, murderers and all others comiting heinous crimes only need soft therapy and “compassion”, not ifetime jail or the death penalty.

      The Pope and other clergy against the death penalty are betraying our 2,000 years of Church history (read: “By Man Shall His Blood Be shed” by Edward Feser). If there’s no Hell, then fighting against the high cause against abortion (murder in the womb) is lowered to a ludicrous equality with a mere social cause, helping immigrants (P. Francis: Gaudete et Exsultate). Negating the existence of Hell lowers us to the state of parasite rats, laundering our sin in the false compassion of demons. God is so awesome that Hell exalts His Holiness and our high human dignity.

  • pat

    You may want to tell the pope that, he seems fuzzy on the subject.

  • If hell is stricken from most people’s catechization, go to Scripture.
    It has not be stricken from Scripture.

  • Renie

    Perhaps the main reason hell is not “understood as true reality” is that there is no evidence for it and some humans rely on evidence to put stock in ancient beliefs.

    • Phil Alcoceli

      Evidence for Heaven-Good and Hell-Evil is all around us if you care to pay close, honest, committed attention, to really look and really see. Regarding Hell, maybe you need to watch some Real Crime shows and some documentaries on Nazi Prison Camps, etc., etc. Even psychologists like M. Scott Peck in his book: “People of The Lie: The Hope for Healing Human Evil” (an extremely interesting book), found himself face to face with some of his patients showing true Hell-Evil in their eyes and personality. He found this directly through his clinical experience not any theology.

      I know many who’ve had similar experiences and, after denying Hell-Evil intellectually, had to bow down to the earth-shaking experience of direct contact. I once watched a demon possessed male inmate who weighed barely 100 pounds throw a 400 pound water heater for 40 feet. Big hardened criminals were terrified of him. Looking at him in the eyes froze my blood. I still prayed for him and he calmed down. Hell-Evil is a call to Responsibility in our God-given Free Choice and we fear that more than Hell itself. Both are Real. Choose wisely.

      • Renie

        I don’t deny that people do evil things. That’s not evidence of hell. I guess you are more gullible than I am.

      • Phil Alcoceli

        Whoa!! Sadness in my life? Are you God so that you know I’m supposedly “sad” without even seeing me? Where do you get that I am “more trusting of priests and nuns”? From where do you get that I can’t overcome “childhood indoctrination”? From what I see all you have “succeeded” in, as you say, is in believing the delusion you are God’s all-knowing equal (you totally failed on that as nothing you said about me is true). It is you who is obviously indoctrinated and therefore remaining an immature child under it.

        You are totally transfering and projecting your learned identity on me, the same one you unconsciously detest, typical of indoctrination. I was one of you years ago and my personal spiritual background includes atheism, Gnosticism, occultism, New Age, radical spiritualized liberalism, Eastern Religions, Buddhism and Protestantism. It was my search for Truth that made me Catholic and I enjoy God’s defiant joy even in suffering and which no one can steal from me. Like for me, there’s hope for you in Jesus. He is the only wise choice but He will never force it on you. God draws you, the Devil pushes you. Life is very short and Heaven and Hell are very real.

      • Renie

        You wrote: “I am old, very financially limited, have several chronic illnesses and am partially disabled. Someone is now messing with my retirement to limit it to very little, etc., etc. My limitations and suffering come to party with me every single day.” I inferred from those words that there is sadness in your life. My mistake. Enjoy your life.

      • Phil Alcoceli

        Apology accepted. Suffering is no longer a problem to me. That’s the immense beauty and power of a truly Catholic life. Whether things are going my way or “the intestinal waste of a male bovine hits the air moving device” (a popular saying adapted to this blog), I am joyful because Jesus (no imaginary deity here) is with me through it all and the excitement of my spiritual and personal growth never ends, even when I’m stuck in traffic, the computer gives me trouble or evil scores a very temporary victory, etc. Yes, there’s been seasons of sadness, depression (part of spiritual growth), all kinds of suffering, etc. but with Jesus I am more than just enjoying life, I’m overflowing with life, old as I am, and it’s only getting better (John 15:11).

      • Renie

        I tried the Catholic route for 42 years. I even entered a Carmelite monastery, leaving while a novice, so you can say I’ve given it the old college try. I’m free and happy where I am, as an agnostic. The Catholics I know best seem to be the unhappiest, unhealthiest, and poorest people in my circle. Two of them have been medicated for depression and anxiety for years now (one of them is a secular Carmelite). I’m glad it works for you. Different strokes for different folks.

      • Phil Alcoceli

        If you look hard enough, long enough you’ll find unhappy Catholics. As far as health and wealth, they are not reliable indicators of happiness by far, there’s plenty of unsatisfied, suicidal healthy, wealthy people, including highly dysfunctional “celebrities”, always in and out of rehab. Saints demonstrate over and over for 2,000 years that even very suffering Catholics, medicated or not, can be immensely happier than any totally healthy atheist, agnostic, etc. not even counting eternity. Unhappy Catholics and those leaving the Church are looking for something other than God in Catholicism, and they don’t feel “filled”, as if God is some cosmic gas station or their cosmic butler.

        I was atheistic-agnostic and that’s a prison not freedom. I left all those groups I already mentioned because they disguise their angst, refusal to grow and escapism as freedom and joy. I couldn’t stand that and saw it as the religion of the worship of self. I was in the Dominican Seminary as well, didn’t finish as my vocation was elsewhere. I don’t live on the surface of life anymore and my appreciation for the consecrated religious is great. I suggest you don’t ever stop searching for Truth. Indeed, I started as a Catholic before my very long search. I am a revert, a total shock for me at first, and my search for Truth within the Church still never ever stops. I suggest you don’t ever stop searching either.

      • Renie

        I will NEVER join a church that values embryos more than it does living, breathing children (it fact, it values controlling women more than it values “human life.”) It was the realization that the Catholic Church is a haven for practicing pedophiles that first got me searching for truth. And it’s not found in a church that tolerates its own corruption and grew in the world through corrupt practices, like inflicting death on non-believers. I don’t search for clean water in a sewer and I don’t look for “truth” in the church. (There was one pedophile in my first parish and three in my second.) I would rather join the Mafia. At least they make sure their crime victims are traitorous adults, not innocent children.

      • Phil Alcoceli

        Okay, let’s set the record straight. First, a few comments ago it only took my brief mentioning of the denial of Hell as truly a total escape from responsibility to have you explode like an infected zit with some fabricated, vicious, totally delusional accusations against me. Second, I’ve treated you with courtesy and Truth in spite of you not being Catholic and you have refused that courtesy to me except for a very partial apology that did not apologize at all for your fabricated, vicious and totally delusional accusations. I still accepted your partial apology. Third, now that I just previously mentioned my personal experience of atheism-agnosticism as a true prison of the worship of self, you explode again like a much bigger infected zit. It’s that very infection you demonstrate and prove here so clearly and graphically that has infected the world through atheism-agnosticism (A-A) and their ilk. It has been A-A and their puppets who brought the False Sexual Revolution with its denial of God, responsibility and its obsession to engage in any and all sexual perversions and, of course, its eventual infiltration and sabotage of the Catholic Church to try to silence their consciences. Failed. As you demonstrate.

        Now you shift to fabricated, vicious and totally delusional attacks against the Church, knowing that we are humans and sinners like you, and you pretend to be able, like criminals laundering their dirty blood money, to launder your own guilt/blame/sin/crime in the latrine of other people’s sins. Sin does not cleanse sin just as excrement does not cleanse excrement. Anti-Catholic Attack dogs are always the very worst at the very faults and the very crimes they rabidly bark at. The heinous sins of the False Sexual Revolution look more graphic in the pure cloth of the Catholic Church than on an already infected Anti-Culture of Death, of which you are part of. All that proves is that sin is destructive and repulsive and we must turn back to the True Faith of The True Catholic Church, and which was rejected by some sinful Priests and the always and ever more sinful radical atheists-agnostics, etc., etc. I have atheist-agnostic friends who are not radical, you are obviously just a guilt-laundering attack dog. Repent, believe in Jesus and obey Him. I did and do every single day. We don’t worship and believe each other like you do, we worship and believe only in Jesus Christ!! That’s why we have 2,000 years already, attack dogs and everything, and we are ready for many more millennia if God’s wills it so. Glory be to Him!!

      • Renie

        Thank you for your predictably Christian response.

      • Phil Alcoceli

        You’re totally welcome and may God bless you greatly. “Then you will know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free”, – Jesus (John 8:32). I am forever in the debt of those who were not scared to “offend” me with the Truth and loved me truthfully enough to shake me out of my delusions in the past. God bless them mightily!!! Catholicism is not Buddhism, etc. Only Jesus saves, not self-serving, self-centered Buddha, atheism, etc., etc. We use Truth with those who attack us and Mercy with those who, opposing us as they will, still respectfully come searching for Truth, not the other way around. Christianity is about real growth, real life and real love, tough if necessary. You may hate us but we don’t hate you at all. I was just like you and I’ll never ever forget it, for God’s Glory.

      • Renie

        You were never just like me. As for hating, your earlier reply was the most hate-filled, pretentious, vulgar rant I’ve read on this site (infected zits, indeed!). I was being facetious when I thanked you for it.

      • Phil Alcoceli

        Look who is talking. You were vulgar, totally delusional and hate filled from the very beginning but you continue your pontificating, delusional, false equality with God produced by your addiction to Satan’s False Fatherhood (the one all radical atheists-agnostics de facto adore) so you talk to me like an unquestionable, abusive, pontificating evil father talking down to his children and becoming irate if they don’t put up with the hateful abuse, which is what you expect from all Christians and Catholics, to just bow down and obey to your false father, infected zit temper.

        You are like a vicious child abuser that is always accusing the children of his own evil, as all abusers, sociopaths, control freaks and bullies do. Oh yes, I was like you but the self-righteous hatred I was programmed to live by finally and totally repulsed me. God is God and not you and He liberated me, you’re just a pathetic sociopathic impostor. Those who worship with bended knee at the latrine of others sins in order to justify their own sins have absolutely no right to judge anyone or anything. To those like you filled with blind, raging hate, the Real Truth will always be hateful because it is a pure mirror who reflects back to you who you really are.

      • Renie

        Oh, now you’re just making Baby Jesus cry.

      • Phil Alcoceli

        Sure, sure… say the loud crying babies who refuse to grow up through fabricated delusions, imaginary self-serving, perversion-allowing beliefs, “fluid” sexuality and “fluid” reality- just like in mental hospitals. Again throwing your own waste at others like monkeys do. Failed again. Ha, ha, ha!!

      • Renie

        I totally get why you are chronically ill. That’s a lot of emotional venom and sexual frustration to be hauling around. I hope you have good insurance, you bitter, deluded, old man.

      • Phil Alcoceli

        Ha, ha, ha! My chronic illnesses are genetic and I am quite fine with them and live very joyfully every day with Christ as a mature adult and more than a winner (Romans 8:31-39). I face all suffering with great peace and solve problems that would squash an immature wimp like you. I’m only old in the body but you have a delusional senile soul. On the other hand, your mental, emotional and spiritual illnesses are by total CHOICE. Again, you continue to fling your waste helplessly at me, as it is very well known that atheism-agnosticism, etc. is an invented belief mainly for the allowance and justification of sexual perversions.

        You deny God to allow yourself to be a sexual pervert and from the abundance of your heart your mouth obviously speaks (Luke 6:45). In the online magazine Slate, atheist Rebecca Watson writes in her article: “It Stands to Reason, Skeptics Can be Sexist Too” about the long history of sexual harassment and perversion of atheists and their ilk. The reports of this kind are too many to mention here. Your infected zit pops again but this time finally with your core venom: predatory sexual perversion. You are so dark and empty inside that you have been reduced to a bitter, lewd, pathetic, guilt-laundering attack dog. Thank you so much for illustrating and demonstrating so clearly and so repulsively to everyone here what radical atheism-agnosticism, etc. is all about. Thank you.

      • Renie

        We are all born atheists. We have to be taught to believe in deities and realms that don’t exist, except in fertile imaginations. It works best if you can sell children on hell or some comparable punishment that instills more fear than being sent to their room without any electronics. When they grow up, most won’t question what they’ve been taught by the “good sisters” or other religious brain-washers.
        I have been happily and faithfully married to a wonderful man for 41 years (he’s also a former Catholic and is now a non-denominational Christian) so your smear of all atheists as sexual perverts is just as pathetic as you are. The ones I know are the most ethical people around. You Catholics with your revolving door “sin cleaners” (confessionals) could learn a lesson from atheists who are good even when no one is watching or ready to punish them. And our number is growing. Perhaps someday, we’ll never again have religious fanatics wreaking havoc in the world. Then this life will be so worth living for so many, they won’t have to imagine heaven as an escape fantasy.

      • Phil Alcoceli

        Ha. ha, ha! Every single word of yours over and over again comfirms every single thing that I say. Truth is Truth and your first explosion rejecting responsibility, and now your last explosion confirms who you really are. You deny reality and your true reputation is being exposed by other atheists like you, not Catholics. You are a sinking ship. Your numbers are not growing but shrinking back down to where they were before the “celebrity” atheists. Your celebration is over. Atheist seasons come and go but the Catholic Chuch has 2,000 years and is ready for many more millenia. Atheism-Agnosticism Fantasy is an invented belief against all that exists and against the God that created it, a historical temper tantrum against the God that refuses to become your cosmic gas station and your cosmic butler. He is the Owner of the Universal House and the House always wins. Always. Thank you again for showing who you are.

      • Renie

        Atheists don’t have temper tantrums against God, any more than we have temper tantrums against fairies, Bigfoot, or unicorns. You are projecting your own anger. We are atheists because we grasp and appreciate reality. You are the one with the invented beliefs. I am the one without religious beliefs. No one is harmed by our philosophy, so why are you religious folks so bigoted against us? Why do you feel so threatened? Why should it matter if there are atheists in society? Or if their numbers grow in the U.S.? Are you as angry at Hindus, Buddhists and others who disagree with you?

      • Phil Alcoceli

        Threatened? That should be your middle name. From the beginning you have been spewing your hateful anger coming to a Catholic website just to peddle your wares, lies and invented beliefs to avoid any and all responsibility, exploding like a infected zit every time it’s mentioned as in the reality of Hell. Atheism was nothing but a fly on the wall until you all became radicalized in recent years and now corrupt everyone and everything to convince them of what obviously you haven’t yet convinced yourselves (otherwise you wouldn’t be attacking the rights of believers through judicial tyranny and fighting so hard “the God that doesn’t exist”- total madness)). A godless, responsibility-avoiding, delusional society always descends gradually to lawlessness, savagery and anarchy as we see so much of it today and of which you are such a great example. Threatened? That should be your middle name.

      • Renie

        Cheer up. I’m never coming to this site again. You seem to have a preoccupation with infected zits. I guess a bad complexion is one of your many problems.

  • DLink

    The media reports and reflects the current zeitgeist. Hell is not part of the equation, ergo, it does not exist, at least in the traditional fashion. Seems rather simple and if one looks around at some of the nonsense peddled in the media, primarily the self centered , make it up to suit branch, it is easy to understand why such an unpleasant topic is to be avoided. Look at a sermon in a mainline Calvinist Church today. The subject is never mentioned despite the fact that its founder is by now, corrected of his previous beliefs.